Posts by Jules Saturn

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered Recommendation

by Jules Saturn in

i've been trying to get my hands on this book and read a review that i thought was interesting.

an anonymous person reviewed the book on barnes and noble and said .

"jonsson book deals with babylonian tablets.

Jules Saturn

@Wake Me Up

Yeah that's really important to me, I'm trying to not be biased at all and trying to dissect fact and what is true and what isn't true. Thanks for the insight on Jonsson's other book though

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered Recommendation

by Jules Saturn in

i've been trying to get my hands on this book and read a review that i thought was interesting.

an anonymous person reviewed the book on barnes and noble and said .

"jonsson book deals with babylonian tablets.

Jules Saturn

I've been trying to get my hands on this book and read a review that I thought was interesting. An anonymous person reviewed the book on Barnes and Noble and said

"Jonsson book deals with Babylonian Tablets. These tablets are written in Akkadian. The problem here is that Carl Jonsson don't know Akkadian. Also, some of these tablets that he refer to has problems. So, how can someone write a book about something in Akkadian that he can't understand."

They gave it 1 star and I wanted to ask if anyone could verify this and if they've read it and would recommend it to read? Thank you.

~Jules

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Ex-JWs In The Dating Scene - It's A Whole New Game

by pale.emperor in

since leaving watchtower it still strikes me as odd how little i knew the real world and how it works.

i thought i knew how it worked but it turns out i didnt.

as jws we were always "courting with a view to marriage".you go on one date with a girl and everyone's expecting you're gonna marry her?

Jules Saturn

From my understanding I thought that as a JW you could only date a person for no more than 2 years, then you get married

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"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction." -- Feb 2017 Watchtower

by cognisonance in

full stop.

(paragraph 12 -- feburary 2017 watchtower -- who is leading god's people today?

)so why then would any jw abide by harmful doctrines setup by the governing body (blood, shunning, the two-witness rule, etc)?

Jules Saturn

Totally agree with you, what hit the nail on the head for me was when it was written in that same paragraph that they can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction but if you watch any videos on JW.org or from the broadcasting, especially the July 2017 Broadcasting they'll say they're "God's spirit directed organization" and to me that completely contradicts what they said in that February 2017 article about erring in organizational direction. How can you if you're being directed by God's spirit?

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Just A Thought Regarding The Bunker Video

by pale.emperor in

as ridiculous as the bunker video was, a few things popped into my consciousness as i was riding the train today.

firstly, why did they go to all the expense and effort to not only create a bunker, but to furnish it like a living room complete with coffee table, armchair, shelves etc?

i mean, a bunker should be a bunker... boxes of tinned food, tools, medical supplies, emergency gear etc.

Jules Saturn

I personally don't understand why these videos are recognized as the "bunker videos" unless that's how they're referred to in other parts of the world. Where I'm from they're called the basement videos and to answer the question of why it doesn't look like a bunker is because it isn't. It's a basement. Lately these videos have been in the Christian Life and Ministry meetings and most witnesses at the moment that I've spoken to are raving about those videos and wanting to be in the "basement"

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Advice on family waking up to TTATT

by Jules Saturn in

if you've been following my posts here, i am physically in and mentally out.

it's so hard because i wish that my family could wake up just as easily as i did.

the other day i had a conversation with a relative regarding whether they have come to terms with their own mortality and they replied that they try not to think about it too much but also said that it's possible that armageddon would even happen long after they are gone, which i thought was a very interesting thought.. maybe it's just me, but i feel like what made me wake up easily was that i've always had little doubts here and there but this was stuff like me being unable to grasp the concept of how one could be anointed and how would you know if you were.

Jules Saturn

If you've been following my posts here, I am physically in and mentally out. It's so hard because I wish that my family could wake up just as easily as I did. The other day I had a conversation with a relative regarding whether they have come to terms with their own mortality and they replied that they try not to think about it too much but also said that it's possible that Armageddon would even happen long after they are gone, which I thought was a very interesting thought.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like what made me wake up easily was that I've always had little doubts here and there but this was stuff like me being unable to grasp the concept of how one could be anointed and how would you know if you were. Things like that, just very confusing to me; I was always asking questions. But see my family, they are satisfied with what they know, what they call "the Truth", even if it's half true or half false.

Personally my parents are in their 50's now and I can't help but question myself "Should I even try to help them wake up? This would rock their entire world, they've devoted the majority of their lives to these beliefs. Their social circle is this, this is their life. What good could I be doing if I were to tear that down? Could they even handle it properly that what they consider truth isn't entirely true?" Sometimes I honestly think it's better off that they don't because I don't know how they would handle it, I can imagine it must be very difficult, especially to be up in age. I mean imagine being 74 years old and waking up?

In the past I've made attempts to speak to them about many things like blood transfusions and the whole 587 vs 607, etc. But these discussions end in arguments, I don't want this to affect their health. Have any of you been successful at waking up any family members, including your parents? Are you someone who woke up a little later in life? How'd you react? Should I make further attempts at waking up my family members or should I just let it be?

My mother quotes Simon Peter from the Bible where he asks Jesus in John 6:68

“Lord, whom shall we go away to?+ You have sayings of everlasting life."

and it's that argument that really shows me what this really means to them. And it's sad because these are people I love and care about, my own parents, all my family members. And I believe firmly that with and without all the indoctrination, they are genuinely good hearted people with good intentions even though it may come off as wrong sometimes. Thoughts?

~Jules

Edit: I apologize for how long this had to be

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Last nights CLAM meeting

by dbq407 in

so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.

so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.

they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.

Jules Saturn

I found it a bit confusing, with the whole Gog of Magog. And I agree on the bunker videos, they definitely work

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Religious Fanatic Mother

by LickingMyWounds in

i have been faded for 5 years raising my kid after jw wife cheated on me.

i go to the memorial here and there.

my mother is a pioneer.

Jules Saturn

@LickingMyWounds

I am so sorry for your loss and that you are going through all of this, very cruel what your mom has said. My mother has also insulted me as well in the same way. It's very said that we have to endure these kind of things, especially from someone who gave birth to us; it's such a pity. You are a very strong person, and I wish you nothing but more strength to bare through this my friend. We support you ❤️

~Jules

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"Only Witnesses demonstrate Christian Love"

by Jules Saturn in

so a couple of nights ago i was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization.

i had to asked her "why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?

" they stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the bible.

Jules Saturn

@moreconfusedthanever

I believe there are other religions who also refuse to go to war like the Adventists, the Quakers, the Brethern, to name a few, aren't they showing "true Christian love" as well?

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"Only Witnesses demonstrate Christian Love"

by Jules Saturn in

so a couple of nights ago i was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization.

i had to asked her "why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?

" they stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the bible.

Jules Saturn

So a couple of nights ago I was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization. I had to asked her "Why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?" They stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine Christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the Bible. A type of love that is worldwide. She argued that she had been a Catholic while growing up and that that genuine Christian love was never felt. I wanted to reason with her that she had spent more time being a Witness than a Catholic but I decided to let her speak.

And then she said "There is no other organization that is like this." And that's where I tried reasoning with her by saying "You haven't been in other organizations before, only two, the Catholics and the Witnesses, to say that the Witnesses are the ONLY organization to demonstrate this act of love is a bold claim." And they argued saying that they weren't going to join every other organization to see whether they have that "love" quality or not.

I definitely thought her response was very interesting and I do wonder if many other Witnesses reason this way. I definitely can't argue doctrine with her because she honestly doesn't seem to care whether it's correct or not and if I attempt to explain something she doesn't want to listen.

You ever experienced this talking to a Witness before? How do you respond when they mention the whole "Only this organization shows true Christian love"?

~Jules